t-Mobile behind lack of Flash?

[MurphysLaww]

My conspirest mind wonders if the fact(err, rumor) that there was flash on the G1, then none, if T-mobile requested this from HTC due to their limited 3G spread and bandwidth limitations even with what they do have.

Maybe the wait is until their deployment becomes a little more robust.

Discuss amongst yourselves :rolleyes:

[DaYuMu6ft7]

Hmmm

Are you saying the G1 had Flash then took it back ?

[MurphysLaww]

I read that somewhere on the internet ;)

I edited it.

[AndroidUser]

I read that somewhere on the internet ;)

I edited it.

Can you provide a link please? :)

[CDRacingZX6R]

These are my favorite posts. :D

[Smalls]

I read on the Internet that it use to have pink wings and would fly next to you so you would never have to put it in your pocket but they took it away. Unfortunately the web page disappeared shortly after I read it and no one else saw it.

[AndroidUser]

I read on the Internet that it use to have pink wings and would fly next to you so you would never have to put it in your pocket but they took it away. Unfortunately the web page disappeared shortly after I read it and no one else saw it.


Hmm. Well I hate to say this Smalls, but if you don't have a link referring to your talk about the wings, then many people will not be inclined to believe you. ;)

Remember anything not sited is either:

-Rumor or
-Loose talk

*Just for future references.

[MurphysLaww]

http://blog.everythingflex.com/2007/11/07/android-and-flash-player/

There, some guy named "me" said it.

:)

I tend to believe anything that me says.

[DaYuMu6ft7]

http://blog.everythingflex.com/2007/11/07/android-and-flash-player/

There, some guy named "me" said it.

:)

I tend to believe anything that me says.

He probably seen this demonstration of Flash on the G1

YouTube - Adobe Flash 10 running on T-Mobile G1 Android Phone

[deserttopping]

i would think youtube eats just as much bandwidth. and we have that.

dubious claim.

[Smalls]

He probably seen this demonstration of Flash on the G1

YouTube - Adobe Flash 10 running on T-Mobile G1 Android Phone (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghIGj9r3_vc)

That's cool, I've never seen that video before

[Afront]

Hi (my first post so please be gentle) - since YouTube videos are Flash files, doesn't the G1 already have support for Flash? It seems then that the "lack" of a Flash player for non-YouTube URLs is based on a commercial not a technical reason.

[Darrell]

Neither T-Mobile or Google were behind the lack of flash unless you say that they deliberately did not pay Adobe a huge sum of money to get flash for android done before the launch.

[Darrell]

Hi (my first post so please be gentle) - since YouTube videos are Flash files, doesn't the G1 already have support for Flash? It seems then that the "lack" of a Flash player for non-YouTube URLs is based on a commercial not a technical reason.

The videos available on the G1 (and iPhone and any other non flash supporting phone) are just a subset of the total number of videos on the flash based site). Not exactly sure what they do to convert them but they are NOT flash.

[frozenfoxx]

T-Mobile wouldn't create an issue with Flash on their phone...it'd be shooting themselves in the foot for no reason.

However, there IS the small, easily-forgotten, much-overlooked fact that Flash is an ABOMINIATION of code. Flash 10's the first in forever that at least halfway tried not to completely soak up as many resources as possible. In a limited environment like a phone it's very, very hard to force something like Flash onto it without soaking up all the resources.

Heck, run Flash 9 on a Linux box and watch the performance of it sometime. It's horrendous. Flash 10's not a whole lot better, either. It's no wonder it's hard to put that on a phone. Not impossible perhaps, but certainly very hard.

[MurphysLaww]

Well, if your 3G network was very limited, it would make a lot of sense to limit a bandwidth hog like flash videos from being transmitted on it until you built out your network a bit more.

If they were concerned enough to put bandwidth caps in place, then they obviously have concerns about how many highbandwidth apps are used. The Youtube vids are probably optimized much more than the average flash video if taken on an overall average.

[IpaqKiller]

From what I understand, it it is an mp4 realtime conversion stream for the Iphone and Android phones.

The Iphone and G1 don't have a flv codec installed to enable it to decode it but does have mp4 and another video codec, but can't remember what it was...

And as far as my limited understanding goes for flash on these devices, it is up to Adobe to write the code base needed to integrate it into the OS.

[inportb]

Indeed, Youtube is capable of serving videos as h.264/mp4. This is also how most sensible people download their Youtube videos for archiving.

[knotrkr]

i just saw on a post on here that had a link to an adobe site that said Flash was not only ready to go for the g1 but it will be released via firmware update very soon. I'm sorry I don't have the link but if you look on the g1 flash threads on this site you'll find it, so I'm very optimistic that we will have flash by summer.

[GasBot]

If T-Mobile was the one hindering flash, it'd be because they wouldn't make their 30% cut of flash apps, but I think it's just because its a new platform and it hasn't come out yet. Android should be first or second to get flash (with Windows Mobile) so just be patient.

[rynosaur]

i just saw on a post on here that had a link to an adobe site that said Flash was not only ready to go for the g1 but it will be released via firmware update very soon. I'm sorry I don't have the link but if you look on the g1 flash threads on this site you'll find it, so I'm very optimistic that we will have flash by summer.

This thread has been redeemed! Thank you for saying that based on your observations, flash will not be out for Android by next week, the 16th, 12:01am tomorrow, someone already has it, ad nauseum . . . .

Oh yeah and YouTube just happens to use Flash Player as a handy way to stream videos to PCs. The G1 does not play YouTube videos the same way that PCs do. I believe the G1 uses rtsp and mpeg2 or mp4 codecs with YouTube depending on the network you're on. But the quality and rate are controlled, so I can see why no one would want us all trying to pull all this heavy flash content . . . .it's going to kill everyone else's browsing experience.

Not that I think a high-bandwidth, interactive, and processor-intensive Flash code or stream wouldn't kill the G1 or the iPhone. I'm pretty sure most devices would choke. I have a 5200mhz dual-core Athlon with 4gigs or RAM and some heavy flash-sites make web pages lag. What 's going to happen to a 500whz smartphone with 192mb or RAM?

[MurphysLaww]

Even if my conspiracy theory was true ;) , I don't think I would hold it against T-Mobile.

If the capacity isn't there, then I wouldn't want my other netapps bogging down if the tower I was on didn't have a large pipe. I'm not too impatient. So far the G1 is doing pretty much everything I have asked of it, and I'm finding new things to use it for every day.