Post editing and "piracy" information

[strazzere]

With the recent addition of paid applications to the Android Market, we are seeing an alarming number of posts regarding pirating of applications. Piracy is the unauthorized and illegal copying and/or sharing of software (http://androidcommunity.com/forums/announcement.php?f=11#). This practice is neither endorsed, supported or encouraged by Android Community.

If any member on this site is found to be encouraging piracy, posting links to pirated applications, sharing pirated applications with other members, posting links to sites that instruct people how to obtain pirated applications or participating in any other type of act that encourages or supports piracy, they will be immediately banned from this community. All posts regarding piracy will be immediately edited and/or deleted by the forum moderators.

If you have any questions regarding this policy, do not hesitate to contact me via PM.

Thank you.


Let me start by saying, sorry if any information I've posted here or on my blog has lead to believe that I was attempting to promote piracy... Though with that out of the way, I find it pretty obsurd that posts are being edited and/or removed.

Of course you should be editing or removing posts that deal DIRECTLY to piracy. Though may I remind you, that you should remove all and edit all posts concernign "backing up" applications or using the astro program.

Protected programs, which is what I made my posts/blog about - does not mean it is a paid program. A paid program may be unprotected or protected, while a free program may also be unprotected or protected.


Last edited by *susan* (http://androidcommunity.com/forums/posthistory.php?p=147091); 02-21-2009 at 09:27 PM.. Reason: This post hinted and lead to a link where one may learn how to pirate apps.

If your going to start editing posts on these terms, you should just disallow any outside links, since all *may* lead to a place that could contain useful information. Err - I mean information where people would learn to pirate applications.

Again, I agree you should ban and remove posts that contain information encouraging piracy, posting programs or asking for those programs. Though since you clearly allow backing up of programs, and people to share information on how to save room or speed up the G1, I doubt you should be removing, banning or editing posts that contain good information.

[Jet]

If you wont adhere to the rules of this board, you are free to leave.
WE DO NOT CONDONE PIRACY IN ANY SHAPE OR FORM.

[strazzere]

If you wont adhere to the rules of this board, you are free to leave.
WE DO NOT CONDONE PIRACY IN ANY SHAPE OR FORM.


What rules have I broken?

Where I discuss the poor "protection" system and you've edited out links because it might lead to someone NOT obeying your rules?

If you want to obey you rules, remove all talk about backing up applications since that could also lead to piracy.

I'm not arguing with you about your rules - you shouldn't condone piracy. Backing up applications is not piracy and niether is discussing application protection.

NOT ALL APPLICATIONS THAT ARE PROTECTED ARE PAID APPLICATIONS. Do you consider backing up those applications piracy? If you do, then I guess I *sort of* see your point. Otherwise, what am I saying that's not adhering to your rules? What am I doing that makes you want to say, shove off if you don't like it?

[Jet]

You sir are a non conformist, you will not stop until you win. Guess what, get in touch with admin for I am done explaining the obvious to you.

[jmejiaa]

I agree with strazzere, if you start removing posts where we talk about backups then I think you will have to remove the posts that talk about rooting the G1 since it will lead to backing up apps as one of the main purposes of rooting a G1 is to backup applications. You didn't care when they were free right? There are still free apps in the store. (http://androidcommunity.com/forums/members/strazzere/)

And as a developer I can also choose whether to protect my app or not, if I don't mind it being copied I can just select that. If I want it protected and not copy-able, I can just select that.

Mods need to understand that backing upp stuff is not illegal, are you going to start removing threads once an emulator comes up in the market since emulators can be used for illegal purposes if we desire?

www.google.com <-- this leads to a lot of leads on illegal info :)

[jmejiaa]

Ps... I also agree, if you don't like the "rules" or are against them you can always leave. But still, don't remove stuff that can help us learn and better our Android devices :)

[deserttopping]

we're discussing it. your point is understood, though. thanks.

this does need clarification.

[jmejiaa]

If I may help, I think a good way is as moderators definitely remove anything directly implying piracy ie"How to get game X for free". Or, "yay we can use this this method to get this game, look here:www.illegalstuff.com". This is something that definetely should be removed and users warned about....

[NismoG35]

Quote:
Last edited by *susan* (http://androidcommunity.com/forums/posthistory.php?p=147091); 02-21-2009 at 09:27 PM.. Reason: This post hinted and lead to a link where one may learn how to pirate apps.

LOL that quote makes me laugh!

Here at anrdoid community we dont want to encourage illegal learning. So any sites that point to other sites that might hint or "lead to a link where one may learn how to pirate apps" should not be posted.

www.google.com (http://www.google.com) should be censored!


Welcome to the internet! hahaha

[*susan*]

First off, thank you for pm'ing me as requested...not. :rolleyes:

I am open for a very, very limited discussion on this.

Strazzere, you brought up in a post that paid applications are not all password protected. You then proceeded to note where they are stored and how you can access them. Next, you listed a link to your blog, which included instructions and you specifically stated:

"What sort of makes this whole ironic deal even odder, is the refund policy. Within twenty-four hours of a download, you are allowed to uninstall and get a full refund of the product you purchased. So you could theoretically just rip all the applications you want, not that I am suggesting this at all."

Now, I believe you wrote this from the standpoint of a developer who is hoping to protect his applications from being pirated. You even suggested not doing this. However, there are a lot of people who have been posting about being unhappy with having to pay for applications now. Some have even gone so far as to private message my moderators asking them if they would direct them to instructions on how to get applications without paying for them. This is piracy. While you were not specifically supporting piracy, as you were pointing out the lack of security on products purchased from the Market, your blog would have indeed given those who are interested in piracy the instructions on how to do so. Therefore, the link was removed.

My job is to protect the integrity of Android Community (not Google!). We do not want to be in any way affiliated with those who may support, encourage and/or commit acts of piracy. Therefore, I have to act on what I feel is in the best interest of Android Community, as do the rest of our staff.

[mckoy]

I don't think he is not adhering to the rules of this forum. He is simply making a post that shows what options Android Developers have to protect their paid or free applications. And then shows you the facts by showing you the terminal with listing of the folders he mentions.

Besides, you guys have a disclaimer for the public to see which states "All messages express the views of the author, and neither the owners of Android Community Social Network, nor Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd. (developers (http://androidcommunity.com/forums/register.php?do=checkdate#)of vBulletin) will be held responsible for the content of any message." By agreeing to these rules, you warrant that you will not post any messages that are obscene, vulgar, sexually-oriented, hateful, threatening, or otherwise violate of any laws.

He is not violating any laws by making this information public. He is simply saying Google should make a better way to protect apps for developers since they spend a lot time and money on their apps. Now if the reader wants to do their own research and see whether this is true, thats out his control.

I have an application that Im working on for the android os but I wont put it out there until they fixed this problem.

[hawtseks]

wow.. thats really lame!

[mckoy]

wow.. thats really lame!

Im not sure if you are referring to our point or the AC point of view....

By the way, if you remove this post than I agree with the OP that you should also remove every post in here that violates this portion of the t-mobile's terms and conditions:

16. * Misuse of Service or Device. You agree not to misuse the Service or any Device, including: (a) reselling or rebilling our Service; (b) using the Service or Device to engage in unlawful activity, or engaging in conduct that adversely affects our customers, employees, business, or any other person(s), or that interferes with our operations, network, reputation, or ability to provide quality service; (c) tampering with or modifying your Device; (d) "spamming" or engaging in other abusive or unsolicited communications; (e) reselling T-Mobile Devices for profit, or tampering with, reprogramming or altering Devices for the purpose of reselling the Device; or (f) assisting or facilitating anyone else in any of the above activities. You agree that you won't install, deploy, or use any regeneration equipment or similar mechanism (for example, a repeater) to originate, amplify, enhance, retransmit or regenerate a transmitted RF signal. You agree that a violation of this section harms T-Mobile, which cannot be fully redressed by money damages, and that T-Mobile shall be entitled to immediate injunctive relief in addition to all other remedies available.

Let me see, rooting your device, tethering, theme changing, and the list goes on...

Again, I love this community and I think certain information should be disclosed in a formal way where it does not give examples on how to violate the law but this is an open platform and these things are going to happen. I also cant believe Google was not able to create a better protection system for applications.

[jordanjay29]

Not everybody with a G1/HTC Dream has T-Mobile.

[mckoy]

Not everybody with a G1/HTC Dream has T-Mobile.

You are right, but if you read of the post I mentioned, people do say "I have a t-mobile G1 do you think that's why I cant get root?"

Hey, my point is done... Again I like this community and I don't want to be banned since the AC Admins do have this option...

[Jorsher]

Quick question -- What's the point of "backing up" applications when you can easily re-download the apps you paid for at no extra charge?

[ghettoyungin718]

Quick question -- What's the point of "backing up" applications when you can easily re-download the apps you paid for at no extra charge?

I think they were refering to people buying/downloading an app

backing it up.. then requesting a refund/uninstalling an app

and then reinstalling an app from a backup "source"

without re purchasing the app or whatever

which isn't fair for developers

[Dixie]

I think they were refering to people buying/downloading an app

backing it up.. then requesting a refund/uninstalling an app

and then reinstalling an app from a backup "source"

without re purchasing the app or whatever

which isn't fair for developers


And I believe you have just made Jorsher's point, without him having to type it out.

[HTC-G1]

TOS FTW!

i agree info on backing up/ modifying a device is breaking rules

this thread is great!

who is right and who is wrong...best threads ever


EDIT:
btw, all links to xda should be removed because that place is piracy central! like it or not
ripping OS's to be used on other phones...uh piracy. hacking/modifying a device and sharing such info.. breaking a rule as stated above

[birdman81484]

Im not sure if you are referring to our point or the AC point of view....

By the way, if you remove this post than I agree with the OP that you should also remove every post in here that violates this portion of the t-mobile's terms and conditions:

16. * Misuse of Service or Device. You agree not to misuse the Service or any Device, including: (a) reselling or rebilling our Service; (b) using the Service or Device to engage in unlawful activity, or engaging in conduct that adversely affects our customers, employees, business, or any other person(s), or that interferes with our operations, network, reputation, or ability to provide quality service; (c) tampering with or modifying your Device; (d) "spamming" or engaging in other abusive or unsolicited communications; (e) reselling T-Mobile Devices for profit, or tampering with, reprogramming or altering Devices for the purpose of reselling the Device; or (f) assisting or facilitating anyone else in any of the above activities. You agree that you won't install, deploy, or use any regeneration equipment or similar mechanism (for example, a repeater) to originate, amplify, enhance, retransmit or regenerate a transmitted RF signal. You agree that a violation of this section harms T-Mobile, which cannot be fully redressed by money damages, and that T-Mobile shall be entitled to immediate injunctive relief in addition to all other remedies available.

Let me see, rooting your device, tethering, theme changing, and the list goes on...

Again, I love this community and I think certain information should be disclosed in a formal way where it does not give examples on how to violate the law but this is an open platform and these things are going to happen. I also cant believe Google was not able to create a better protection system for applications.


Nice I was wondering when someone was going to throw that up..... This site has been violating that for ages....If it didn't violate it...what would the site be?

[constellanation]

well ripping an opensource os to be used on another device is not piracy. and in certain circumstances this can be done to other os's legally, in that matter that it can be used on x number of devices owned by the original purchaser of the product. o.k. done nitpicking htc g1, also we try not to link to other sites information that is available here, to cut down on that very reasoning to some extent.

[Fare]

Quick question -- What's the point of "backing up" applications when you can easily re-download the apps you paid for at no extra charge?

as someone with a bit of computer savy, I'd rather take actions into my own hands when securing an investment. If I buy a product (cd, DVD, game), I want to make sure I will not lose the $15-60 I spent and back up my investment. With android apps, I would rather back up my purchase on my own than to put it in the hands of google, where a plethora of problems could arise (server going down, account "lost"/"stolen"/"hacked", device FUBARS...).

The Flip side: I imagine that more people use backing up for piracy than legitimate "backing up"**. Places like the xbox-scene uncovered ways to back up xbox games onto new-and-bigger HDDs. GREAT! Except, now it taught everyone how to torrent games for free...

conclusion of useless post: ???



**Don't actualy know this for a fact, pure speculation

[tokyomonster]

Biggest advantage of backing up that i can see?

Not having to search out and redownload all the apps you have or to have to reconfigure them. This goes for paid and free apps.

That being said, I don't back anything up.

[DaYuMu6ft7]

Loving the "open source" debate..

[HTC-G1]

well ripping an opensource os to be used on another device is not piracy. and in certain circumstances this can be done to other os's legally, in that matter that it can be used on x number of devices owned by the original purchaser of the product. o.k. done nitpicking htc g1, also we try not to link to other sites information that is available here, to cut down on that very reasoning to some extent.
i wasn't being specific to android, there's a crap ton of cooked roms and other hacked/ripped ones over on that site as well as other downloadable files people don't pay for

i'm saying linking anything or making post that have to do with that site is breaking the "we don't do piracy statement" you're trying to make...

you even have blogs that include info to that site. so i don't wanna hear it from you...

[f4phantomii]

I'll agree....making a backup for *personal* use falls well within the "Fair Use" clause of the DMCA and earlier copyright laws.

Obviously that got abused pretty heavily as more and more digital products came into use. Thus the DMCA attempted to address this abuse by making it illegal for a person or entity to "reverse engineer" digital protection schemes in order to allow copies.

So it's OK for me to make a true backup copy for personal use, AND it's OK for the OEM to engineer protections that directly prevent this.Clearly these two provisions are in direct conflict with each other, thus the reason the DMCA has been so vigorously challenged both in and out of court.

In the end, I can think of numerous use cases where having an on-board or offline backup capability is pretty critical. Ask me how I know! I've had similar apps on previous PDA's that made an utter perfect backup of the entire device, and in the event of a catastrophic event would put it back exactly the way it was within minutes disconnected from everything.

Yes, you can re-sync contacts and calendars. Yes, you can re-download software. You could always do that with Palm and Windows devices too. But you weren't always in a position to do it immediately as you could with the SD Card backup. I know I've had such an ability absolutely save my bacon several times....particularly with a quirky device that tended to hard-reset itself, causing you to lose absolutely everything.

I've seen this sort of stance taken by other forums before. And as several people here suggested, if you don't like it, go elsewhere. I can tell you from experience that is usually *exactly* what happens.

I feel it's perfectly legitimate for posts to be edited or removed at the judgement of the moderator....after all....that's what they are there for (and one of the many reasons they are appreciated!). But I'd strongly recommend caution on taking an overly aggressive position on such a policy. It tends to unreasonably discourage useful discussion and tends to drive members elsewhere.

As for the backup apps on the market....if it's within the skills of their respective devs, they could certainly store those backups in a closed/encrypted/proprietary format or database to discourage unintended use of their apps. Unilaterally squashing such discussion is not helping anyone.

Bottom line....I support the forum and the mods to regulate the discussions and weed out innappropriate material....but I urge them to consider the policy carefully. In this instance I feel they've probably defined the line a little too far to the right.

[constellanation]

in an effort to not overshadow f4phantoms very well said post
you even have blogs that include info to that site. so i don't wanna hear it from you...
what would you like to hear from me?
how about what the site chooses to do is their choice. if you don't like it i don't care. my blogs (which i've been meaning to get rid) of point to direct sources that answer the topic at hand if anyone wants to continue searching for other things thats their choice. and these arguments with minor exceptions are extremely childish. like people who yell at employees at walmart because kmart sells a product they don't.

[HTC-G1]

f4phantom did say it well...


but i still don't wanna hear what you have to say...or read it for that matter.
so i'll be moving on now.

[*susan*]

but i still don't wanna hear what you have to say...or read it for that matter.
so i'll be moving on now.

We are trying to have a respectful, intelligent conversation here. Would you do us the favor of keeping your comments respectable as well, please?

Thank you.

[gbk1]

So if someone else posted


You can open your phone, put compressed air on your memory chips, pull it out and extract it's contents. A nice way to back things up. But you can assess if this post is worthy of "modding" and "banning".

on a stretch...

http://androidcommunity.com/forums/f9/porn-on-g1-finally-8933/
but a 14 page thread on the topic of porn (with links) still exists.

then again what happens outside of AC's domain is not AC's problem, so feel free to visit those pages little boys.

How do you set a rule without explaining the very thing you're trying to filter?
I understand the environment that moderation based on human judgment is necessary rather than having to throw posts through a written evaluation process. Exploiting loop holes is an insurance thing -_-

the Terms of Use link is broken -_-

Please don't pull a Facebook;

[juice]

I'm very happy to see this thread was re-opened. (cause it was locked before right?)


Anyway, the AC should always encourage respectful, intelligent discussions about anything that deals with Android, the G1 or other android devices. That being said app piracy will now probably become available because of paid apps an all. I'm sure most people know my stance on that, but this isn't the issue at hand.

The fact that piracy will most likely happen isn't always bad for the developers of pirated apps, because some people might find 'flaws' that can be patched up after light has been shined upon it.

Anyway, I'm not too sure where I'm going with this here, I'm just happy the thread was re-opened. That and pirates rock. :cool:

[tokyomonster]

The Terms Of Use page was supposed to be updated when all of that crap about linking to other sites happened, and Vincent himself told me it'd be up in a few days.. and that was last month.

[WalkinG1]

If any of you have a problem with the clearly stated, you are free to leave. Like it has been said before: ANY FORM OF PIRACY OR POSTS HINTING OF PIRACY WILL BE DELETED & YOU WILL BE BANNED.
Some of you are being irrational and just completely being difficult for the sake of being difficult. Here at AC (we have an integrity & rep to protect), I would not want to read on another forum someone saying "I was reading on AC how to get free paid apps, check out this link". You have a problem with the OBVIOUS, then you can test the moderators/admins patience and be banned.

[mckoy]

"Fair Use" clause of the DMCA and earlier copyright laws...

"I feel it's perfectly legitimate for posts to be edited or removed at the judgement of the moderator....after all....that's what they are there for (and one of the many reasons they are appreciated!). But I'd strongly recommend caution on taking an overly aggressive position on such a policy. It tends to unreasonably discourage useful discussion and tends to drive members elsewhere."

I strongly agree with this!

"Unilaterally squashing such discussion is not helping anyone."

I agree!

"I urge them to consider the policy carefully. In this instance I feel they've probably defined the line a little too far to the right."

I agree once again!

I think i said I was done but come on... I have to get in on this!

I'm going to assume that mods are having a pm debate of their own on this subject. Mods, if you really feel that you will be held responsible for such information being discussed in this forum then create an addendum to the rules.

This is a very good debate!

[WalkinG1]

The Terms Of Use page was supposed to be updated when all of that crap about linking to other sites happened, and Vincent himself told me it'd be up in a few days.. and that was last month.

Again whether it isn't on a TOU page does not matter. It has been stately ad infinitum that anything related, hinting, slightly being coy about piracy is absolutely not tolerated. The mods also were kind enough to make multiple sticky threads, deleted many posts -- doesn't a deleted link give a slight hint of..."HELLO? This is not the place..."

[Fare]

The fact that piracy will most likely happen isn't always bad for the developers of pirated apps, because some people might find 'flaws' that can be patched up after light has been shined upon it.

what?

EDIT: do you mean that if you pirate an app, that you get to look at the source of it? The pirates would look through the code and "fix" the app for the developer?

1) doesn't work like that. The pirate would have access to the binaries and still wouldn't know what was written.

2) what?

[LazyGenius]

i personally believe as of right now there arent any apps worth pirating (the ones worth getting are so cheap you might as well buy them.)

and i would rather back up an app just to make sure i could keep up with my own copy of it(seeing that i did buy it)

i think google should make it where you can back it up within the first 24 hours(the refund period) after that you should be able to keep a copy.

those are the lazy genius' thoughts...

[constellanation]

lazy i agree with you i bet in time we will see some sort of connection between who bought it and their ability to redownload it.

[LazyGenius]

If any of you have a problem with the clearly stated, you are free to leave.

i am confused as to why any website would make suggestions for people to leave?

i understand this thread can be frustrating to the admin but android community wouldnt be that if it had no people lol...:D

[DaYuMu6ft7]

I'M NOT KNOWN TO "Back it up" <-- :eek:

BUT IF I NEED TO, IT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE THAT OPTION.

[juice]

EDIT: do you mean that if you pirate an app, that you get to look at the source of it? The pirates would look through the code and "fix" the app for the developer?


lol wut? That's not what I said....at all.

When was the source code mentioned?

[*susan*]

The Terms Of Use page was supposed to be updated when all of that crap about linking to other sites happened, and Vincent himself told me it'd be up in a few days.. and that was last month.


With regards to this statement, I am in the process of writing out the rules and TOS for Android Community. I have only been in my position here for a month, and there was quite a lot to do. But, I am working on it.

With that being said, I do believe we have made it abundantly clear what our policy is regarding piracy.

[Fare]

The fact that piracy will most likely happen isn't always bad for the developers of pirated apps, because some people might find 'flaws' that can be patched up after light has been shined upon it.


lol wut? That's not what I said....at all.

ok, what where you implying then

[LazyGenius]

I'M NOT KNOWN TO "Back it up" BUT IF I NEED TO, IT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE THAT OPTION.

if your talking about what i think your talking about then: HAHAHAHAHAHA!

if not then please disregard my laughter....

[deserttopping]

...Mods, if you really feel that you will be held responsible for such information being discussed in this forum then create an addendum to the rules.

i don't think we're concerned with being held liable, i think we're concerned about devs bein screwed out out of compensation for their hard work, and our devices sucking because devs pull their apps from the market due to piracy.


pirates rock. :cool:

oh, give me a break..

[juice]

ok, what where you implying then


Security flaws. To where you can access the app. Save it and distribute it...that is if it's not protected. And having root I do believe makes this whole process a lot easier.

Either way, I'm sure things will be done to try and limit piracy, however you can't do that when nobody has really pirated apps (which doesn't happen when it's free)

[juice]

oh, give me a break..

give me a break...

break me off a piece of that kit-kat bar.

[deserttopping]

give me a break...

break me off a piece of that kit-kat bar.

buy your own kit-kat bar. and your own apps.

[strazzere]

I'd like to answer the "why would you need to back up the program if you can just redownload it?" type of question.

A legitimate reason for backing up and reinstalling a protected (maybe not even paid) application should be clear. Protected applications run in the app-protected directory which is limited in size, so not as many can be stored. If you where to back it up and restore it - it installs to the /data/app directory where it can be stored with many other programs.

I don't know off the top of my head the exact size of either directory, but I do know after six protected applications of various sizes where installed, the next one complained about low space - where the unprotected ones where not.

Lastly, I'd like to solidify my stance that piracy is wrong in all cases. Even if a developer promises to make apps free for life, or has yet-another-fart-app, they have the right to charge if they want too. If you don't like it, don't buy it - but that doens't mean you need to steal it.

[juice]

buy your own kit-kat bar. and your own apps.


Make me. :cool:

[juice]

but that doens't mean you need to steal it.


Umm, I'd like to clear this up. It's not stealing. Thank you.

[strazzere]

Umm, I'd like to clear this up. It's not stealing. Thank you.

Getting paid for applications for free without the consent of the publisher/developer is always stealing. Dress it up however you'd like.

[juice]

Getting paid for applications for free without the consent of the publisher/developer is always stealing. Dress it up however you'd like.

What?


You have piracy all wrong baby. People don't pay for pirated apps. They shouldn't charge for a pirated product either. That's wrong.

Edit:
Oh wait, I see what you're saying. Getting 'paid for' apps for free. Not getting paid, for apps....

[DaYuMu6ft7]

if your talking about what i think your talking about then: HAHAHAHAHAHA!

if not then please disregard my laughter....

Ha Ha!

You're right on target, lol

:D

[tread]

problem will never be solved just as it is in any other forum... its a very thin line when talking about subjects like this that involve so much ambiguity... if you want to be strict, then yes, ban any post referring to xda-developers because you're indirectly referring forum users where piracy is known to show up quite a bit... most tampering and redistributing on that site seems to be "not legal," i could be wrong but it seems that way...

let the mods do what they want, if you're personally offended by something that gets deleted than you need to learn to lighten up

[f4phantomii]

Again whether it isn't on a TOU page does not matter. It has been stately ad infinitum that anything related, hinting, slightly being coy about piracy is absolutely not tolerated. The mods also were kind enough to make multiple sticky threads, deleted many posts -- doesn't a deleted link give a slight hint of..."HELLO? This is not the place..."

Ouch. OK. Understood. It's unfortunate it has to be this way.

Mods might as well close the thread....nothing more to be done here.

[juice]

http://threadbombing.com/data/media/4/lock.jpg

[LazyGenius]

http://threadbombing.com/data/media/4/lock.jpg

haha classic...:D

[juice]

haha classic...:D


It'll get some use here at the AC. :cool:

Well that's only if I'm quick enough.

[ickyfehmleh]

So AC staff will edit posts about piracy? Is this just limited to the Android platform, or are all forms of piracy verboten? For instance, if people post about, say, a NES emulator, will staff delete the post? Likewise for illegally downloading movies and music?

[deserttopping]

So AC staff will edit posts about piracy? Is this just limited to the Android platform, or are all forms of piracy verboten? For instance, if people post about, say, a NES emulator, will staff delete the post? Likewise for illegally downloading movies and music?

good question.

mods, can we please discuss this *ahem* elsewhere?

[Wrytch]

This thread got a little boring, so I skipped ahead a little. Hope I didn't miss anything.

So, can we still talk about Edward Teach, Henry Morgan and the like.

We are still talking about pirates right?

Arrrr!! Ahoy there lubbers!

I love pirate history and hope we can keep discussing it here.

[deserttopping]

privateering on the high seas is still A-ok, wrytch.

carry on.

[jmejiaa]

So AC staff will edit posts about piracy? Is this just limited to the Android platform, or are all forms of piracy verboten? For instance, if people post about, say, a NES emulator, will staff delete the post? Likewise for illegally downloading movies and music?

an NES emulator is not illegal. Same reason backup applications aren't illegal. It's what you decide do with it that is illegal.

[Wrytch]

Awesome!

Fifteen men on a dead man's chest
Yo ho ho and a bottle of rum.

Drink and the devil had done for the rest
Yo ho ho and a bottle of rum.

The mate was fixed by the bosun's pike
The bosun brained with a marlinspike
And cookey's throat was marked belike
It had been gripped by fingers ten;
And there they lay, all good dead men
Like break o'day in a boozing ken
Yo ho ho and a bottle of rum.

[deserttopping]

Yar! Avast there! etc...

[juice]

an NES emulator is not illegal. Same reason backup applications aren't illegal. It's what you decide do with it that is illegal.


Charging for an emulator should be illegal though. :p

[Fare]

Charging for an emulator should be illegal though. :p

do you expect a contractor to build your house for free?

[strazzere]

do you expect a contractor to build your house for free?

Only when I run a sweatshop with my illegal immigrants there, duh.

[juice]

do you expect a contractor to build your house for free?


Of course not. And I'm sorry, but this comparison is bogus. A house....A HOUSE! is nothing like an application/program.

Sorry, but this is comparing apples and oranges.


Also, sorry but I refuse to pay for something that is all over the net for free. Those developers aren't asking for money. I respect the developers for their hard work, however that doesn't mean I have to give them my money that I worked 40 hours a week for. :cool:


Thank you for your time.



Oh and here.

http://www.emulator-zone.com/doc.php/gameboy/

http://www.emulator-zone.com/doc.php/gba/


See that?

Freeware.



Edit:
Also I'd consider it plagiarism. You're selling an idea that isn't yours. Last time I checked, the G1 developers didn't make the NES, or the Game Boy. That was all Nintendo, their engineers and developers. Cashing in on their idea is stealing, wrong and like I said plagiarism.

[Fare]

ok, since the comparison is SOOOOO OFF, let me rephrase it.

Do architects deserve to get paid? Do architects who build houses deserve to get paid where a architect who designs a piece of software doesn't deserve to get paid?

[juice]

ok, since the comparison is SOOOOO OFF, let me rephrase it.

Do architects deserve to get paid? Do architects who build houses deserve to get paid where a architect who designs a piece of software doesn't deserve to get paid?

Here's a question for you.

Ever actually sit down and code?

I'm sorry, even if you are a developer try telling someone in construction about this comparison. I bet you would get laughed right off the lot.

Physical labor cannot be compared to sitting at a computer and making keystrokes.


Also, in case you missed my edit from my previous post, here it is.



Edit:
Also I'd consider it plagiarism. You're selling an idea that isn't yours. Last time I checked, the G1 developers didn't make the NES, or the Game Boy. That was all Nintendo, their engineers and developers. Cashing in on their idea is stealing, wrong and like I said plagiarism.

[deserttopping]

translation: if juice could steal a house and not get caught, he would steal a house.

[Dixie]

ABSOfrigginLUTELY. :D

[juice]

translation: if juice could steal a house and not get caught, he would steal a house.


How about try to know what you're talking about? :p

I would buy a house, legit and legally. No questions asked. However this is if I can ever afford one.

[deserttopping]

How about try to know what you're talking about? :p

how about "time is money."

o.O

[Fare]

Ever actually sit down and code?


I "sit down an code" 8 hours a day for a living



If a person spends x amount of hours (which would undoubtedly take days) coding something that you would use alot, do they deserve to be compensated for their efforts?

[juice]

how about "time is money."

o.O

How about it?


I "sit down an code" 8 hours a day for a living

Well, good for you. What do you code? Anything fun? Good pay?
Do you get an hourly rate? Is it commission per line of code? Or per successful line of code? Commission per program?

I wish I could still code. I need to get back into it. Just for fun.




If a person spends x amount of hours (which would undoubtedly take days) coding something that you would use alot, do they deserve to be compensated for their efforts?

Totally depends on the situation. The majority of people will pay for the program.


I mean, just look at microsoft and how many people who actually bought Vista.

[Robocop]

The Cop does not condone piracy.
The Cop does not condone censorship.

Mods, find the balance....
Fast.

[juice]

Oh hey robocop. Long time no see.

[Dixie]

The Cop does not condone piracy.
The Cop does not condone censorship.

Mods, find the balance....
Fast.

::::Quickly constructing a FENCE for you to teeter on!!::::

[WalkinG1]

Dixie :)
Ughh...well this was fun.

[Robocop]

Hey juice. Been working a lot. Couldn't resist this thread tho.

[juice]

Hey juice. Been working a lot. Couldn't resist this thread tho.


Good to hear, even in tough economic times, people will keep committing crimes. So be happy you have a job! And I hope you're not out busting non-violent stoners. :cool:

[Robocop]

Are you kidding me? You know it's impossible to give a stoner a speeding ticket, right?

[juice]

How is it impossible?

I've had a speeding ticket or two.

[Robocop]

You were only doing 30 mph, bro. It only felt like you were flying....
Wow, thread jacked!

[juice]

Oh see, I thought you meant as you walked up to them to give the ticket you would be overwhelmed by the sent that is the burning of the sweet cheeba. 8)

[birdman81484]

This is just to test you mods:

***mod edit***

The Mods were listening. [We won't] see you later.

Testing the dedication of the staff of these forums, when we don't get paid to help this community stay running on its feet, will not be tolerated. The rules have been stated, and discussion closed on the matter.

*** /mod edit***

[Robocop]

Wow. And you picked a vulture as your avatar before that post?
Good one birdman.

[birdman81484]

Wow. And you picked a vulture as your avatar before that post?
Good one birdman.


haha well technically it is a buzzard...(some where buried in my posts is the reason why I would pick a buzzard)

[Robocop]

Leave the Mods alone, man. They are working on being as fair as possible to the members while balancing their obligation to the site. This is an official site. You not getting all the content you need here, feel free to google what you want. But we are more than just a info repository. We are a community of early adopters of a new platform who have bonded in numerous ways. This has been a good thread and it allowed for a great discussion of the issues. Thanks everybody for not boring me today!

[*susan*]

It's okay, Robocop. We really do appreciate your support.

Bye bye, birdy!!

[*susan*]

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