Apple reveals new 3rd party software

[DaYuMu6ft7]

Hmm...

Thoughts on this article and will it have any affect on Android Market ?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29735963/

[bigzae]

Good article and i think it will have an affect seeing as how we already have a number of the same apps as the iphone

[DaYuMu6ft7]

I see the reporter just updated the article and change the title from..

"Apple shows off new iPhone software

Peer-to-peer connectivity for gaming, renewable subscriptions featured"

To..

"Copy-and-paste ability to be added to iPhone

Peer-to-peer connectivity for gaming will also be part of 3.0 software"

[sinistersai4d]

This update may make me ready to take the iPhone plunge. MMS, Copy & Paste... the physical keyboard and MicroSD I can manage to live without, in exchange for a bigger screen and a better designed phone that doesn't squeak or reboot randomly.

(I love android but the rebooting has been killing me lately. The other day it was raining and I'm at a bus stop and I take out my phone to call a cab and the phone reboots. 3 minutes later I can make a call since it takes FOREVER for the thing to reboot.)

[joshtheitguy]

Whoopty Doo

The iPhone can get whatever and I will never care because I hate Apple.

I hate their phones, audio devices, computers, laptops, home networking appliances, emo, monitors, software, smugness and anything else they produce.

[agentaaron]

Whoopty Doo

The iPhone can get whatever and I will never care because I hate Apple.

I hate their phones, audio devices, computers, laptops, home networking appliances, emo, monitors, software, smugness and anything else they produce.

Why?

Just out of curiosity...

[LazyGenius]

Whoopty Doo

The iPhone can get whatever and I will never care because I hate Apple.

I hate their phones, audio devices, computers, laptops, home networking appliances, emo, monitors, software, smugness and anything else they produce.
im right there with you buddy! stay strong and boycott apple!:D:D:D

and i love how apple presents copy and paste/mms like they invented it.
"The iphone 3g... now with revolutionary copy and paste! WOW!" lol...

[agentaaron]

App and developer functionality


Peer-to-peer connectivity over Bluetooth for gaming and other info-swapping.
Paid apps will have the potential to be subscription fee-based, and can include optional paid content that can be bought from right inside the app.
Developers can now build apps that call out to Google Maps, and can also finally bring Apple-blessed turn-by-turn to the phone.
Devs can also connect with hardware accessories over in their apps now, such as a blood pressure monitor -- or perhaps a keyboard? Connectivity works through the dock connector or over Bluetooth.

Long-promised push functionality will at last be included, but apps won't run in the background.
Developers can add streaming video and audio to their apps, along with in-game voice use.
General functionality


Cut, copy and paste. At last! You can shake the phone to undo and redo the action, and it works with both text and photos, allowing Mail to send multiple photos at a time.
MMS, along with forward and delete for multiple messages.
A2DP stereo Bluetooth.
Unlocked Bluetooth functionality on 2G iPod touch.
Spotlight has been added to a new home screen page to the left of existing pages, allowing for universal search on the phone.
Tethering is built into 3.0, and Apple will work with carriers on that -- who will have the last say on its implementation, most likely.
App Store will be available in 77 countries.
Parental controls for TV shows, movies and App Store apps.
Auto-login for WiFi hotspots.
Apple apps


A new app called Voice Memos which lets you record notes and reminders.
A revised Stocks app, with news stories and a landscape view.
Landscape view available for Mail, Text and Notes.

CalDAV support has been added to Calendar, along with subscriptions support in the .ics format.

Apple's major apps have all been expanded with search functionality.
Note syncing to Mac and PC.
YouTube account support.
Form auto-fill.
Phishing protection.
Shake the shuffle iPod playback.

As long as the UI looks nothing like the prototype that was pulled from Ebay...I would be all over it. As soon as I could unlock it on Tmobile of course.

[sbig79]

also, the 3.0 update will include A2DP Stereo Bluetooth.....

read it on

http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/17/apple-previews-iphone-os-3-0/

[LazyGenius]

also, the 3.0 update will include A2DP Stereo Bluetooth.....

read it on

http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/17/apple-previews-iphone-os-3-0/
yeah i heard that.

b4 people start ogling over this update, its not set to release until the late summer. by then or soon after we should have cupcake which has stereo bluetooth as well.

[henchman]

Google needs to step up their game and do a major upgrade to Android.
It better be alot smoother and slick.
Because Android stilll is lagging far behind the iPhone as far as the OS and Apps go.

[joshtheitguy]

Why?

Just out of curiosity...

If I wanted a UNIX box I'd install FreeBSD, I don't like the UI either. The dock sucks, if I close an app I want it to close not float off into magical smug land and I hate the universal file menu.
I hate the inability to upgrade easily and freely instead of being locked down.
I enjoy having drivers for my hardware.
Since there no longer using PPC processors they are basically Intel machines with huge markups.
Their monitors are vastly overpriced and notoriously known for having some of the worst color replication of all LCD manufactures.
The iPod was a limited piece of crap and still is but the sheep love it.
You are not paying for innovation, you are paying a extreme to own something that only glorifies your level of self satisfaction.
Virtually no software is supported and the apps that used to be so much better on Macs are now running better on Windows platforms.
Everything costs too damn much, software, hardware.
It isn't as stable as everyone is lead to think it is.
There is nothing special about them, if it were not for Steve Jobs they would be DEAD and we wouldn't have to run around hearing about the "Jesus Phone" and how great Apple is from all the Sheep.

[henchman]

Still, messing around with my stepdaughters iPhone, I find it's waaaay smoother.
Way more responsive, yhe integration of the apps and hardware is way better.
We won't even talk about the quality of the games.
And to get push email, cost me an extra $30.

So, yes, Google needs to pull their collective heads out of their asses, and get this thing off the ground before the novelty wears off.

[mye2096]

This update may make me ready to take the iPhone plunge. MMS, Copy & Paste... the physical keyboard and MicroSD I can manage to live without, in exchange for a bigger screen and a better designed phone that doesn't squeak or reboot randomly.

(I love android but the rebooting has been killing me lately. The other day it was raining and I'm at a bus stop and I take out my phone to call a cab and the phone reboots. 3 minutes later I can make a call since it takes FOREVER for the thing to reboot.)


Just wondering... do you know why your phone reboots? In case it was the same problem as I had, I can help. My phone use to reboot randomly because the battery is loose, inside the back cover. It's probably a designed flaw, no excuse. they probably didn't have good QA. Anyways, once I realized that I fold a piece of paper under the cover above the battery to keep the battery in place, so it won't be dislodged easily. See if that helps.

[zero.fx]

how about stop charing for even themes that just stupid defeats the whole point of being openess. i own both and i must say so far i m pretty disappointed with it mainly due to having to pay for you themes..... over all the os is pretty fun to use tho

[DaYuMu6ft7]

I will agree with Google needing to step their game, like ummm Yesterday!

Us early adapters have been nothing but loyal to their cause, so a little pay back won't hurt them any, Am I Right ?

[agentaaron]

how about stop charing for even themes that just stupid defeats the whole point of being openess. i own both and i must say so far i m pretty disappointed with it mainly due to having to pay for you themes..... over all the os is pretty fun to use tho

lol...I would say that its for your safety and security that you do not relate openess and people charging for apps together. Try studying what "open source" really means.

...they are two completely different things, and others on the site will probably not be so kind in their response to that comment :p

[lexic]

i had the old iphone and now use the g1 but still use the iphone as an ipod as i think it is better than g1 and saves phones battery life. but yer the stuff they are saying is making me think about getting a iphone 3g but i will wait untill the summer and see what else comes out and happens

[zero.fx]

thanks for you advise i do understand what open source really means, but my point is its a little theme and people charge this. i know people do put there time in creating the theme but thats how communities work. look at the iphone and ipod jailbroken community its growing so fast because there are people are are willing to do things for the community but with out a reward. all they needed maybe some compliments and support from fellow forum members. maybe i have used the term open source wrong but maybe its the whole android community i guess.
and if people attack me cos a comment i made online, i really have nothing to say but sit there and laugh. and that is fanboyism
pez out

[GasBot]

Its funny, reading through that list I came to the realization that Apple is actually trying to play catch-up now. The fact that Android allows people full open access (for the most part) to the phone means that we can already have bluetooth games, we can already talk to Google maps to provide turn-by-turn directions, hell we can have apps that completely replace major system components like the home screen. I'm 100% certain by the end of 2009 that Android will not only have more features than the iPhone but will be pulling ahead of it with exponential acceleration. Good luck Apple, your team of developers is no match for a world of people wanting to improve their phones and having the access needed to do it.

[All~G1]

Its funny, reading through that list I came to the realization that Apple is actually trying to play catch-up now. The fact that Android allows people full open access (for the most part) to the phone means that we can already have bluetooth games, we can already talk to Google maps to provide turn-by-turn directions, hell we can have apps that completely replace major system components like the home screen. I'm 100% certain by the end of 2009 that Android will not only have more features than the iPhone but will be pulling ahead of it with exponential acceleration. Good luck Apple, your team of developers is no match for a world of people wanting to improve their phones and having the access needed to do it.
Im crossing my fingers for now. We can only hope :D

But for now just give me stereo bluetooth and I'll be happy.

[agentaaron]

If I wanted a UNIX box I'd install FreeBSD, I don't like the UI either. The dock sucks, if I close an app I want it to close not float off into magical smug land and I hate the universal file menu.
I hate the inability to upgrade easily and freely instead of being locked down.
I enjoy having drivers for my hardware.
Since there no longer using PPC processors they are basically Intel machines with huge markups.
Their monitors are vastly overpriced and notoriously known for having some of the worst color replication of all LCD manufactures.
The iPod was a limited piece of crap and still is but the sheep love it.
You are not paying for innovation, you are paying a extreme to own something that only glorifies your level of self satisfaction.
Virtually no software is supported and the apps that used to be so much better on Macs are now running better on Windows platforms.
Everything costs too damn much, software, hardware.
It isn't as stable as everyone is lead to think it is.
There is nothing special about them, if it were not for Steve Jobs they would be DEAD and we wouldn't have to run around hearing about the "Jesus Phone" and how great Apple is from all the Sheep.

ok...fair, again I was just asking out of curiosity and not trying to fire you up. There is probably a huge difference between what you and I look for in a computer. Just a left field guess...but by your user name, I would say you have something to do with I.T. :p. Me on the otherhand...while I use computers probably 14-15 hours a day...im just an end user, and as long as the thing turns on and does what i need it to do...im happy.

I have never owned a mac...I have used them in college and have friends who own them...and to be honest, I would buy one in a heartbeat if...like you said, they werent so overpriced.

I do however own a "Jesus Phone" and I love it. It feels good in my hand, it works solid (even after going for a short swim), there is tons of support for it...and I have never had 1 problem loading any of my music or movies on it...regardless of the source ;)

[Stone]

Interesting....but Apple still has too much of a monopoly for me to ever get an Iphone. My partner wants to spend 200.00 dollars to break contract and get a G1 like me. The main reason is that iphone ringtones suck, and so does Apple's lack of a querty keyboard. You need a hearing aid to hear your phone ring..lol. Looking into programs like audacity and iphone ringmaker for him. All in all I'll stick to my G1. I told him to wait a few months if the G1 gets the upgrades we need. Or the G2 comes out. Then I give a **&% if he breaks contract.


:D

Stone

[DaYuMu6ft7]

I think my happy point would be acquiring Flash and then Stereo Bluetooth..

All else would be icing!

[Stone]

I think my happy point would be acquiring Flash and then Stereo Bluetooth..

All else would be icing!



Yup..@ Dayum!..Slap!. I'd be cool with that and the Touchscreen. The battery issue I guess I'll just resolve by getting a extended battery.



P.S...Slap means... "Sounds like a plan"

:D

Stone

[DaYuMu6ft7]

Yup..@ Dayum!..Slap!. I'd be cool with that and the Touchscreen. The battery issue I guess I'll just resolve by getting a extended battery.



P.S...Slap means... "Sounds like a plan"

:D

Stone


Ha Ha!

I'm down with the "Slap"

:cool:

[henchman]

Its funny, reading through that list I came to the realization that Apple is actually trying to play catch-up now. The fact that Android allows people full open access (for the most part) to the phone means that we can already have bluetooth games, we can already talk to Google maps to provide turn-by-turn directions, hell we can have apps that completely replace major system components like the home screen. I'm 100% certain by the end of 2009 that Android will not only have more features than the iPhone but will be pulling ahead of it with exponential acceleration. Good luck Apple, your team of developers is no match for a world of people wanting to improve their phones and having the access needed to do it.


Oh brother, gve me a break. Catch up? Get serious.
At this point the Android OS and GUI is clunky, bland and boring.
It simply does not work as fluid as the iPhone, and you cannot deny that.
The overall integration of the Apps on iPhone is waaaay better.

And I am NO Apple fanboy.
I'm hoping Android shows significantimprovement with the cxupcake releasse.

[GasBot]

Oh brother, gve me a break. Catch up? Get serious.
At this point the Android OS and GUI is clunky, bland and boring.
It simply does not work as fluid as the iPhone, and you cannot deny that.
The overall integration of the Apps on iPhone is waaaay better.

And I am NO Apple fanboy.
I'm hoping Android shows significantimprovement with the cxupcake releasse.
The UI may be a little clunkier than the iPhones at times. However I'd say about 80% of the time it's smooth as glass and works well.

Regardless of how fluidly the screens slide around (which is all the apple nuthuggers talk about), I'm talking about the actual meat of the OS. Its functionality! How are the apps more integrated on the iPhone than in Android? Android applications have more access to the root hardware than the iPhone allows. Or are you again just talking about the looks of them because Android doesn't forcefully "suggest" that developers follow their exacting design guides?

[konzern]

G1 all the way! Whoopdidooo it cuts and pastes..... I would never get an iphone I just think its over rated and over pirced and its too restrictive!

G1 FTW

[henchman]

The UI may be a little clunkier than the iPhones at times. However I'd say about 80% of the time it's smooth as glass and works well.

Regardless of how fluidly the screens slide around (which is all the apple nuthuggers talk about), I'm talking about the actual meat of the OS. Its functionality! How are the apps more integrated on the iPhone than in Android? Android applications have more access to the root hardware than the iPhone allows. Or are you again just talking about the looks of them because Android doesn't forcefully "suggest" that developers follow their exacting design guides?


Oh, coem on, the phone is far flom being smooth as glass.
It chugs and clunks along.
Location based apps work 100% better on the iPhone and are way better integrated.
As far as ZI'm concerned, the only downside to the iPhomne is the lack of a physical keyboard.
And it certainly isn't more expensive.

After you buy a new SD card, a better battery, and pay $30,- for nitrodesks excellent app to give you a proper email app and Push email for Exchange users, you are paying way more than you woudl for an 8 gig iPhone.

So, for less money, you get a much better, bigger, nicer screen, and a phone that works way smoother. And access to some really cool apps. I would say, 95% on the Android market is just crap. With the games being downright pathetic.

So, I'm hoping that Google finds a way to make Android a much better and smoother OS. They HAVE to. Because it's still pretty lame.

[GasBot]

You say you aren't an Apple fanboy, but your posts say otherwise. Lets dive in and see how misinformed you really are.


Oh, coem on, the phone is far flom being smooth as glass.
It chugs and clunks along.

Says who? You? The downright authority on all that is Android? Could it be possible that you're just running a ton of apps with services all the time which is causing the phone to slow down a bit? The reason you don't see this happen on the iPhone is because you CAN'T run several apps/services simultaneously. Way to go iPhone!


Location based apps work 100% better on the iPhone and are way better integrated.

Please explain this. How exactly do location aware apps work better on the iPhone? Android gives full access to both GPS and Cell tower location APIs. Any app can get as accurate a reading as they'd like.


As far as ZI'm concerned, the only downside to the iPhomne is the lack of a physical keyboard.

How about the fact that you can't customize the experience to how you'd like to use the phone, you have to use Apple's workflow and like it. How about all the cliche things like no copy+paste, no stereo bluetooth, no mms, battery life equal if not less than the G1, no replaceable battery, no expandable memory, no tethering ability, no compass, etc.


And it certainly isn't more expensive.

After you buy a new SD card, a better battery, and pay $30,- for nitrodesks excellent app to give you a proper email app and Push email for Exchange users, you are paying way more than you woudl for an 8 gig iPhone.

You can buy the G1 at any Walmart right now for less than $100. So add in an 8GB SD Card for $20 (With 16 and 32GB versions dropping in price daily), I don't know why you'd buy a better battery when my stock battery gets 1-2 full days of life, and add in NitroDesk if you'd like for $25 (or you can use Moxier Mail which is a free alternative or one of the other alternative exchange apps in the development pipeline right now. Even with those two things you're still around $150 which is cheaper than the 8GB iPhone's $199 which can't be expanded upon. You buy the 8GB, that's all you've got. Where as with the G1, you can upgrade your memory for next to nothing as the chips become available.


So, for less money, you get a much better, bigger, nicer screen, and a phone that works way smoother. And access to some really cool apps. I would say, 95% on the Android market is just crap. With the games being downright pathetic.

So because you say that they're cool apps, that makes them cool? What's cool to you? Something that does what a browser can do, but has shiny graphics? Why are the apps in the market crap, because they aren't tailored to your personal sense of what's cool? Again, I'd say that the ability to replace major system functions (Home screen, SMS handling, etc) with applications that increase the phone's functionality is cool. I like having a computer in my pocket that can do just about anything. Obviously you like to just be a sheep and swipe things around with your finger.


So, I'm hoping that Google finds a way to make Android a much better and smoother OS. They HAVE to. Because it's still pretty lame.

From this post, I'd say you're pretty lame. Go buy an iPhone and make all of us much happier.

[Rusty]

GasBot FTW!

[gbk1]

Again, I'd say that the ability to replace major system functions (Home screen, SMS handling, etc) with applications that increase the phone's functionality is cool. I like having a computer in my pocket that can do just about anything. Obviously you like to just be a sheep and swipe things around with your finger.

Agreeeeeeed. x2

[henchman]

well, ii came from a wm6 phone, and founf the G1 to be a big improvement.
Untill i messed around with my stepduaghters iPhone, and have seen what Android should be.

The Android Os is simply way clunkier. The fact you get 1-2 days of use from the standard battery is proof to me you don't use it as intensive as i or a lot of other users do.

I should have waited for them to dump the G1 at Walmart.

[LazyGenius]

well, ii came from a wm6 phone, and founf the G1 to be a big improvement.
Untill i messed around with my stepduaghters iPhone, and have seen what Android should be.

.
no sir you have it backward. android should be NOTHING like the iPhone. if i wanted a phone similar to the iphone i would get...wel... an iphone...

[henchman]

no sir you have it backward. android should be NOTHING like the iPhone. if i wanted a phone similar to the iphone i would get...wel... an iphone...
I'm talking purely from UI POV.
They need to do some srious work on memory management, and from what I can tell, hardware graphics acceleration.

I find it very kludgy.
And as I said before, better software integration with the hardware when it comes to localazation.
The map loading and GPSN pin pointing is still very slow.

[LazyGenius]

I'm talking purely from UI POV.
They need to do some srious work on memory management, and from what I can tell, hardware graphics acceleration.

I find it very kludgy.
And as I said before, better software integration with the hardware when it comes to localazation.
The map loading and GPSN pin pointing is still very slow.
from ONLY point of view... i can agree.(sorta) any other point of view i must disagree.

i believe the UI on the G1 could be greatly improved but making it like the iphone doesnt make it an improvement.

[henchman]

from ONLY point of view... i can agree.(sorta) any other point of view i must disagree.

i believe the UI on the G1 could be greatly improved but making it like the iphone doand while they're at it, buy nitrodesk, and hire their programmers. As they too seem to know what they are doing. As opposesnt make it an improvement.
remember, I'm talking UI, not GUI.

Allthough the stock GUI theme is extremely boring and bland, IMO.
I just look at what the guys over at xda have done, and it shows what a pathetic attempt the original developers did at Google.
Seriously, they should be firing some of the people, and hiring people who have some imagination and creativity. Hire some of the guys who have been developing themes at xda instead.
And while they're at it, buy nitrodesk, and take their programmers. As they obviously know how to write a proper app, as opposed to the 5th grader Google used to write their pathetic attempt at an email app.

[henchman]

One more petpeeve.
There should NEVER, be a lag returning to the homescreen. Regardless of how many icons you have.
They need to permanently reserve memory for the homescreen.
This lag is just another indication of crappy programming.
If the phone can't handle 3 full screens of icons, then they shouldn't have made them.

[GasBot]

henchman, I'll agree with you on two points.

1) They need to work on getting hardware acceleration working properly as that'll help the entire OS feel more light and possibly save some extra battery life.

2) The homescreen lag can be really annoying when it does happen. I've only seen it when I'm surfing around in the browser for a while and then hit home, but I have seen that happen. I'm sure they'll come up with a solution for that soon enough, but if you think about it, it does fit in with the "All apps are created equal" montra that Google has. They don't give their native apps anything above and beyond 3rd party apps. Obviously while that's good on so many levels, there can be drawbacks like that lag.

[outsider]

This update actually addresses pretty much everything I hated about the iPhone.

[konzern]

Gasbot has spoken!

[LazyGenius]

This update actually addresses pretty much everything I hated about the iPhone.
not me. its still made by apple.

[_TheOne_]

Bringing this over from a post I made since this one is already established.

Lifehacker has an interesting rundown of the 3.0 features vs Android's current build and the coming cupcake update. Direct link below.



Apple's releasing some hot new features in iPhone 3.0 this summer, but will it be better than Google's Android? Let's take a look. You already know what you get in iPhone 2.0, you've heard about what you get in iPhone 3.0. Let's see how those features stack up against Android's current release and its upcoming update (called "Cupcake") feature by feature.


The Breakdown
There's a whole lot of green in the iPhone 3.0 column of that chart above, and some red and yellow in the Android side. That's mostly because we're comparing Android to the feature set Apple unveiled yesterday; it doesn't mean that new smartphone buyers stuck between iPhone and Android should automatically wait for iPhone 3.0. It all depends on what you need.

The phone features that actually matter to you: While much has been made of cut/copy and paste coming to iPhone 3.0, many smartphone users say they haven't run into many situations where they needed it. The feature that's getting less press but may add more usefulness to iPhone 3.0 is search: with Spotlight, and within Mail, Contacts, and Calendar.

Personally, besides its Gmail client, the feature I love most about Android that the iPhone doesn't come close to is Android's pull-down "window shade" notification area, that lists multiple alerts. So if you've gotten an SMS, new email, a Twitter reply, a missed call, you can drag and drop the window shade down to see them all. (See screenshot.) The iPhone still pops up a box you have to dismiss to do anything else (include hang up a call!), which is simply an inferior way to handle alerts.

Background processes versus push notifications: While it's wonderful in theory that Android runs background processes, Apple's point about how it kills your battery life is absolutely true in my experience. It remains to be seen how well iPhone 3.0's push notifications will work when they actually do come out (hence the yellow coloring in the table), but right now, the battery life point is not just a bunch of marketing hooha (which is why it got the yellow coloring in the table, too). Besides, Apple has promised and not delivered push notifications before, so we'll believe this one when we see it.

iPhone 3.0's application potential: The other big "remains to be seen" part of iPhone 3.0 is where developers will take the new functionality available to them in iPhone 3.0. Voice over IP, maps integration, peer-to-peer Bluetooth, media access, accessory-specific apps—these are really exciting options for application developers that will surely bloom into a million great apps and functionality that haven't been born yet.

When you're in control of the hardware:When two different pieces of software are competing, it's pretty easy to for one to respond to another feature by feature, and we expect Android will offer similar features as iPhone 3.0 eventually. But when you're in control of the hardware like Apple is, you can do things like enable accessory support—which means, for example, that diabetics can plug their glucose meter into the iPhone and download readings. Since Google's Android is just the operating system that will run on various handsets with different hardware configurations, that sort of software-to-hardware control will not be as easy.

But given what we know now... As a former iPhone user who switched to Android, I can say: iPhone 3.0 hasn't made me regret my decision. Yet. Right now, Android's killer Gmail client, proper MMS support (available now), background processes (even though they kill the battery), window shade, and general Google product integration makes me a happy camper. In fact, on the chart above, the top five items are the features most important to me, and Android—right now, not this summer—hits on almost all of them.

That said, given the potential of iPhone 3.0, gamers, audiophiles, and others may disagree. What about you?"


http://lifehacker.com/5173441/android-versus-iphone-30-the-showdown

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This article misses a lot of points about iPhone OS 3.0. For instance, applications will allow users to buy things while they're running the application -- imagine finishing a game and being able to buy another 10 levels without having to go back to the Market/App Store and hunt it down. Or having a customized "store" inside, say, a home screen replacement app that only shows compatible widgets.

Apple also plans on introducing a subscription model for applications, something quite a few developers have been asking Google for. There's absolutely no reason for Google to not offer this functionality. Of course, there's also no reason Google couldn't come up with a better piracy deterrent but we all see how that one turned out.

The system-wide "shake to undo" is both gimmicky and pretty cool at the same time.
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I'm actually glad Lifehacker is taking the logical approach to the android vs iphone debate. Some site (like Gizmodo) are so pro-iphone that it's dreadful to read through any pro-iphone/anti-android article they have (which is just about all of them). The writer has switched to Android device as stated in previous articles and I respect her unbiased articles since she's used both.
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[Geo411m]

Being both an Android and iPhone user I can agree with both Gasbot and Henchman. I think the iPhone is over all a better phone form a hardware and UI perspective. The iPhone hardware feels so solid and sexy in my hands while the G1 feel like a cheap peice of plastic. The UI on the iPhone run so much smother and the apps seem better (only because Google shot itself in the foot with the tiny storage space). I think the G1 excels at cloud computing. I love the way it interfaces with GMail and Google talk, the iPhone Fails at this. Also, The way it interfaces with with apps are WAY better than the iPhone. If the Android had a better hardware platform with More internal space it would definitely crush Apple's iPhone but unfortunately with cheap hardware and tiny storage space that doesn't make use of the SD card expandability it's not the iPhone killer we all wanted it to be.

[ghoonk]

After using the G1 since last October, I've come to realize why I stay with it and not gone over to the iPhone:

GoogleTalk -- I'm always online, always contactable. I have not found an app for the iPhone that stays on in the background for GoogleTalk yet. I know Google has a GoogleTalk page for the Safari browser, but it's just not a real client, and IM+ and fring just don't cut it. And I use GoogleTalk every single day

The apps that I thought I could not do without turned out to be apps that I wouldn't really miss.

[henchman]

And one more thing.
I find the herky jerky webbrowsing experience on the G1 unbelievably frustrating.
Again, they really need to get the basics in order on this phone.
Because no amoount of themes and other widgets can make up for the basic fruastrations.

[xdavidn88]

And one more thing.
I find the herky jerky webbrowsing experience on the G1 unbelievably frustrating.
Again, they really need to get the basics in order on this phone.
Because no amoount of themes and other widgets can make up for the basic fruastrations.

I don't find anything wrong with the browser. Then again, it's my first smartphone.

[ickyfehmleh]

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Location based apps work 100% better on the iPhone and are way better integrated.
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How are they better integrated?

CoreLocation (http://developer.apple.com/iphone/library/navigation/Frameworks/CoreServices/CoreLocation/index.html) has a direct equivalent in Android -- android.location (http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/location/index.html). Both have a location manager-style class that posts updates back to listeners when the location changes. Google goes the extra step by providing seamless integration with Google Maps courtesy of MapView (http://developer.android.com/reference/com/google/android/maps/MapView.html) and overlays.

[cal3thousand]

Whoopty Doo

The iPhone can get whatever and I will never care because I hate Apple.

I hate their phones, audio devices, computers, laptops, home networking appliances, emo, monitors, software, smugness and anything else they produce.


Wow... found someone else with the same hatred for Apple as me? :D

1 button mice, can't remove batteries, have to install quicktime with itunes, no sd card, F-them... Apple plays games and people buy into it like sheep. They do some things right, but their pompous attitude leads to my infinite boycott.

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Remember that this OS is going to be made for only a handful of different devices. In about 2 years, can you think of how many different devices will be running Android?

forget just cellphones, the OHA has pulled in players like Garmin that are willing to bring this platform to the people in numerous other devices. This will allow more options for integrations and synergies. The G1 will never come close the iPhone in subscriber numbers, but Android is a different story.

[xdavidn88]

Android is a beast!

I didn't like Apple so I got myself a Creative Zen Touch 20GB. It stopped being able to link with my CPU. GAY!

So I got a iPod Nano. Works great. That's the only thing I like about Apple.

[joshtheitguy]

Wow... found someone else with the same hatred for Apple as me? :D

1 button mice, can't remove batteries, have to install quicktime with itunes, no sd card, F-them... Apple plays games and people buy into it like sheep. They do some things right, but their pompous attitude leads to my infinite boycott.

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Remember that this OS is going to be made for only a handful of different devices. In about 2 years, can you think of how many different devices will be running Android?

forget just cellphones, the OHA has pulled in players like Garmin that are willing to bring this platform to the people in numerous other devices. This will allow more options for integrations and synergies. The G1 will never come close the iPhone in subscriber numbers, but Android is a different story.

We Apple haters are few and far between but we do exist.

[henchman]

How are they better integrated?

CoreLocation (http://developer.apple.com/iphone/library/navigation/Frameworks/CoreServices/CoreLocation/index.html) has a direct equivalent in Android -- android.location (http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/location/index.html). Both have a location manager-style class that posts updates back to listeners when the location changes. Google goes the extra step by providing seamless integration with Google Maps courtesy of MapView (http://developer.android.com/reference/com/google/android/maps/MapView.html) and overlays.

Well, for one, the maps load much faster.
Other Apps seem to be much more integrated when pinpointing, finding and getting directions after doing a search.

Oh, and the iPhone STILL is much much faster at pintpointing exact location when using the GPS and map.

I'm assuming you've used an iphone?

[konzern]

F**K THE IPHONE!
wann deffend the dam iphone go to a forum for iphones
this is ANDROIDcommunity.com

[ickyfehmleh]

Well, for one, the maps load much faster.
Other Apps seem to be much more integrated when pinpointing, finding and getting directions after doing a search.

Oh, and the iPhone STILL is much much faster at pintpointing exact location when using the GPS and map.

I'm assuming you've used an iphone?

The company I work for has a bunch of them for developing an external-facing application. I've only used it inside a 4-story building so I'm not quite sure how quickly it picks up a GPS signal.

Perhaps AT&T's 3G network is quicker than TMobile's? That'd be the only explanation I can think of with regards to the maps loading quicker.

[ImaG]

from ONLY point of view... i can agree.(sorta) any other point of view i must disagree.

i believe the UI on the G1 could be greatly improved but making it like the iphone doesnt make it an improvement.

The UI could use some improvements. LG and Samsung both have designed some very clean touchscreen UI's w/o flat out copying.

The infamous "homescreen lag" is pretty much the only "unsmooth" moment my phone experiences. The rest is "smooth" sailing.

The iPhone performs admirably as well, but it does have its laggy moments, and the browser is no stranger to crashing. Whateva Jobs is getting paid is probably not enough. Convining people to buy Apple products is one thing, but conving consumers that their approach to software and hardware is the gold standard is quite remarkable. I've lost count of how many cellphone reviews I've read where the reviewer is like "uh, the touchscreen is great, but it I really wish it had multitouch" Can't say I'm a big fan of having to put down my beer just pinch my screen. I'm not saying that multitouch is rubbish - gimmicky maybe, but not altogether useless. I'm just creating an example of how the G1, or any device not named iPhone for that matter receives criticsm for not being "iphoneish"

[openedV]

Hail!, check that http://sourceradix.com/m/f277.html

[LazyGenius]

We Apple haters are few and far between but we do exist.
there are more of us then you think. im in a facebook group now and we have close to 2000 members!