Android Market App Destroying Phone Data

[Are1]

Wow! After reading all of that I'm kinda glad my "tech" knowledge is limited to just
Understanding how to manage the memory on my SD card 'cause that prevents me
From dabbling too much into the different apps. I just want to make calls, send a few
Texts, and play fantasy football on my phone (my job is not too friendly too fantasy
Footballers). Hopefully, something positive is done to rectify this unfortunate
Occurance. Until then I guess ignorance is bliss.

[yowmoon]

That's because you don't know how to read commit logs or Google groups.

So, is what you're saying that the G1 is/should be primarily for the tech junkie "elite" that Knows about Knowing - and 'ordinary' users be damned? That the every day user should keep his mouth shut because he isn't "skilled" enough to use the phone properly?

My impression is that the G1 along with the Market is supposed to appeal and be useful to anyone who desires a good smartphone. Not just for code junkies, developers and the 'elite'.

I have an IT degree, but have absolutely no desire to do anything with my G1 except to make calls and use the internet with full browser capabilities and carry personal info along with me. I don't believe the G1 was put on the market with the expectation that an end-user would have to be elite enough to root the phone, scrutinize code to be sure Apps are safe or spend time in special groups to make sure they keep track of behind the scenes information or be able to use the G1 to it's fullest capabilities.

I anticipated more involvement from Google in the Market. So? Just my own absurd expectation...I still like the G1 for what it is right now.

[ickyfehmleh]

So, is what you're saying that the G1 is/should be primarily for the tech junkie "elite" that Knows about Knowing - and 'ordinary' users be damned? That the every day user should keep his mouth shut because he isn't "skilled" enough to use the phone properly?

My impression is that the G1 along with the Market is supposed to appeal and be useful to anyone who desires a good smartphone. Not just for code junkies, developers and the 'elite'.

I have an IT degree, but have absolutely no desire to do anything with my G1 except to make calls and use the internet with full browser capabilities and carry personal info along with me. I don't believe the G1 was put on the market with the expectation that an end-user would have to be elite enough to root the phone, scrutinize code to be sure Apps are safe or spend time in special groups to make sure they keep track of behind the scenes information or be able to use the G1 to it's fullest capabilities.

I anticipated more involvement from Google in the Market. So? Just my own absurd expectation...I still like the G1 for what it is right now.

No, I'm saying that right now Android, including the infamous 'cupcake' branch, is being actively worked on but suited for developers, not end users. The platform is still very usable without the 'cupcake' branch as you have just said. To say that Google is doing nothing and has abandoned the project is wildly inaccurate. The conversation goes more like this:

End-users: What's going on with development?
Google: WiFi in the build is currently broken because of $VERY_SPECIFIC_THING.
E: What?
G: WiFi is broken because of $HIGHER_LEVEL_EXPLANATION
E: Huh?
G: WiFi is broken.
E: When will you fix it?
G: First we have to do $VERY_SPECIFIC_THING
E: And that means what?
G: We have to do $HIGHER_LEVEL_EXPLANATION
E: Do what now?
G: We're working on it.
E: You should really talk more about what you're doing! That's all we ever hear is "we're working on it"! When will this be out?
G: Check out our roadmap.
E: January?
G: We're aiming for first quarter, 2009.
E: So that means late January?

It's a wonder their heads haven't exploded. I've noticed that at least one member of the Android dev team now has a plea in her signature for users to not email her directly but instead post on the appropriate Google group forum.

[Krak]

which proves my previous huge complaint...customer relations... no so much for the tech savy, but the average user, google needs a middle man who takes whats going on, and translates it into keepign their average customer informed....
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[constellanation]

i'm not trying to be rude, but what more can be said beyond, "we're working on it, its not ready, hopefully by the end of the first quarter 09" can be said. thatws very straight forward if you ask me.

[Krak]

i'm not trying to be rude, but what more can be said beyond, "we're working on it, its not ready, hopefully by the end of the first quarter 09" can be said. thatws very straight forward if you ask me.

thats fine...if they made clear exactly whats gonna make it to the g1, first its all of it, then its some things from cupcake, then its nothing, then its some things again..it changes every week....... which maybe isnt googles place to say...then its tmobiles fault... but i know from personal experience those two companys arent working very hand in hand with this phone....
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[yowmoon]

customer relations... no so much for the tech savy, but the average user, google needs a middle man who takes whats going on, and translates it into keepign their average customer informed....

I guess this, right here, is my main point. Good PR helps. I had read/heard a lot of great things publicly about the G1 before its release then, post release pretty much nothing in the public realm. I signed up w/ AC to keep up on what's going on and have done my own investigating as well.

I'd like to be an average user being informed by an 'official' middle man. ickyfehmleh's E/G conversation seems right on the money to me. Maybe some kind of 'press release' to engaget or the like stating what's going on or even what's NOT going on would feel helpful.

Anyway - I'm keeping an arms length from the Market until it evolves into something that feel a little more stable.

[constellanation]

perhaps they have been coming across obstacles that make them have to change their projections. ultimately they are human. i think any decent human would just accept that there as of now is no definite plans. personally i don't expect anything until the next major android phone release. after all this phone was and is being sold as is. even though it goes against there plans for android, they really are not bound to offer anything more. anything they do is icing on the cupcake.

in the meantime root your phone, learn what you can do. and maybe learn java. then the world is yours.

[ickyfehmleh]

which proves my previous huge complaint...customer relations... no so much for the tech savy, but the average user, google needs a middle man who takes whats going on, and translates it into keepign their average customer informed....

I've been writing software for a number of years and know that I tell my project lead very specific things, he tells our manager generalized overviews, and those generalized overviews are what finally make it to the clients. We have a very similar setup in that we have a wiki detailing some of the upcoming features of our application -- a roadmap. We're always taking end-user suggestions and feedback. In fact, one end-user emails us novels worth of suggestions, and one time my manager emailed him back with a very detailed explanation of why one of his ideas wouldn't work. He cited specific source code, prompting a "what?" sort of response. So my manager then responded and spoke of higher-level abstractions and business rules explainin why his idea wouldn't work. Again a "what?"-type response. Finally my boss said that it just wasn't possible, only to have the end-user say "oh" (literally, the entire response was "Oh." He's got the whole email thread posted in his office).

The Android dev team will detail what's going on, like how change 7345 needs to be "manually applied to get the same APNs preconfigured as in the ADP1". Chances are that makes no sense to a majority of their users -- it makes little sense to me without digging into the source. So they simply say "we're working on it", because what else could they say? How do you tell the "average customer" things that won't freak them out ("WiFi is broken in the current build" == "OMG THE G1 WON'T HAVE WIFI ANYMORE") yet convey the appropriate level of information?

[inportb]

Heh... this is why I don't use apps that don't do anything useful...
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