What phone would make you take a vacation from android?

[superg05]

who said android was crippled it wasn't me maybe u should have quoted dunno but anyways there making phones with barely any rom space and we all know its on purpose that handset manufactures do this and yes some great phones are coming out but none that can do what i saw this nokia do. when someone makes an android layout with those capabilities im all for it over it in it on the rom space

i had a solution to this problem and i wrote both google and the oha of how to implement apps to sd without having to worry about people pirating paid apps i have yet to get any response from them or see them implement this or even try

"installing apps on SDcard u could easily use encryption like Microsofts .menc files for windows mobile it can't be used off of device it was installed on not allowing them to be used any place then the google account holders phones thus solving them being pirated all over the net" note iphone users on the ideas site voted it down a lot from where it was but it was high ranked for awhile Googles ideas site here http://productideas.appspot.com

it was my way of trying to help make android better you guys should join and share your ideas

[Hands0n]

Android is the untested system, and it is lame -- as in crippled.

I believe that it was this gentleman who suggested that Android was "crippled".

Oh well, here starteth the Linux wars for mobile handsets I suppose

Maemo may well have been around for a while but it has yet to find its way into a mainstream handset. That Nokia took it up is not necessarily a recommendation. I will need to see the evidence of Nokia producing a fully capable OS for their handset. Just changing the OS is no guarantee of success given Nokia's previous track record, in my opinion. But we'll see soon enough.

Someone earlier in this thread remarked on Nokia's robust Smartphones - I can only cite my own experience of a pair of Nokia N95s, Nokia's "computer in your pocket" - it took them until firmware version 12 to get the handset anywhere near stable enough to use 'robustly'. Just in time for me to migrate away to the iPhone and later Android that are just worlds apart from that dreadful Symbian OS of theirs. Watching a good friend struggle with his N97 brought back awful memories of Nokia's quality of new Symbian handsets. He gave up, eBayed it, went to an iPhone and hasn't looked back. This was a hardened Nokia fan who finally had enough having been through it all before with a N95-8GB.

I'll accept that I could be completely wrong about Nokia's Maemo-based N900. But the sceptic in me will take some convincing. But I will be watching the story unfold with great interest. It would be a shame to see Nokia succumb to the modern OS that it now has to compete with.

[Crashdamage]

Maemo may well have been around for a while but it has yet to find its way into a mainstream handset.

That's because Maemo 5, on the N900 is the first version to get cellphone capabilities. 'Til now, it was on tablets only.

I will need to see the evidence of Nokia producing a fully capable OS for their handset.

OK, do some Googling, get some info, watch some videos. You'll be amazed, especially of the N900 playing video on a 50" screen. Maemo is more than fully capable. That's the whole point. To go beyond OS-X, Android or Symbian. To go to the next level. To REAL pocket computing.

I can only cite my own experience of a pair of Nokia N95s, Nokia's "computer in your pocket" - it took them until firmware version 12 to get the handset anywhere near stable enough to use 'robustly'. Just in time for me to migrate away to the iPhone and later Android that are just worlds apart from that dreadful Symbian OS of theirs. Watching a good friend struggle with his N97 brought back awful memories of Nokia's quality of new Symbian handsets.

Again, you're comparing the N95 (years old) N97/Sybian to the N900/Maemo situation. Very different hardware and TOTALLY different software. It just doesn't apply.

I'll say it again...Maemo is basically Debian with a mobile-optimized UI. Are you saying Debian is not capable, unproven or unstable?

[djunio]

I'm getting the N900 in Jan. unlocked until the 1GHZ Androids come to T-mobile. That 3 row keyboard is total bs but the rest of the hardware makes up for it easily.

edit:BTW both os's are Linux based so I think you will see Android on N900 and Maemo on android phones rather quick.

[Derrick]

OK, do some Googling, get some info, watch some videos. You'll be amazed, especially of the N900 playing video on a 50" screen. Maemo is more than fully capable. That's the whole point. To go beyond OS-X, Android or Symbian. To go to the next level. To REAL pocket computing.

I have watched videos and I have seen nothing that the iPhone, Android, or even BlackBerries can't do. I don't see how this is anymore "realer" than its competitors. The only real advantage I've heard that Maemo has over Android is its openess as the phone practically comes rooted when you get it. Still I've heard from developers on various sites claiming even though its more open, its more difficult to develop for because the tools Google gives you for developing are better.

Don't get me wrong I think this is a great phone and OS. For example I really like the way it manages multitasking. Android could really use something like that. Also the UI is MUCH better looking then the default Android UI.

[Hands0n]

That's because Maemo 5, on the N900 is the first version to get cellphone capabilities. 'Til now, it was on tablets only.
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I'll say it again...Maemo is basically Debian with a mobile-optimized UI. Are you saying Debian is not capable, unproven or unstable?

I would certainly say that Maemo is not proven in a cellphone in the mainstreet sales market. Any videos so far will not be of retail handsets out in the field. Therefore I have to stand by my sceptic view that Maemo is yet to be proven in the context that we are talking of here.

I've seen my iPhone playing to a 52" Samsung and am quite happy to report that the resultant display was very viewable.

My citation of Nokia's N95 and N97 were in the context of how well, or rather how un-well, Nokia delivers their OS. To date, each and every new release has been a dogs dinner. On that basis I do not expect the first iteration of Maemo on the N900 to be any better. But I do reserve the right to be pleasantly surprised 'when' the device hits retail.

[superg05]

I would certainly say that Maemo is not proven in a cellphone in the mainstreet sales market. Any videos so far will not be of retail handsets out in the field. Therefore I have to stand by my sceptic view that Maemo is yet to be proven in the context that we are talking of here.

I've seen my iPhone playing to a 52" Samsung and am quite happy to report that the resultant display was very viewable.

My citation of Nokia's N95 and N97 were in the context of how well, or rather how un-well, Nokia delivers their OS. To date, each and every new release has been a dogs dinner. On that basis I do not expect the first iteration of Maemo on the N900 to be any better. But I do reserve the right to be pleasantly surprised 'when' the device hits retail.

so all the hands on reviews don't count ?

[Adedasfreak]

HTC HD2 and possibly the N900 (dont like the Resistive Screen)

[Hands0n]

so all the hands on reviews don't count ?

Actually, no. I'll treat the reviews so far as I've seen reviews of past Nokia kit that I've already cited. In each case these devices were supposed to revolutionise - they did nothing but frustrate. By the time the firmware was in any reasonable way fixed interest had been lost, other product had come by, or Nokia had released its next great promise.

You'll have to forgive me then, or perhaps not, if I remain completely unimpressed at the N900 on paper. I'll wait to see it out in the wild, being used by ordinary people, in a real world first.

Nokia's own history persuades me that is the safest way to assess one of their new products.

None of that is to diminish what the N900 is or could be on paper, speculative blogs and YouTube virals.

[superg05]

Actually, no. I'll treat the reviews so far as I've seen reviews of past Nokia kit that I've already cited. In each case these devices were supposed to revolutionise - they did nothing but frustrate. By the time the firmware was in any reasonable way fixed interest had been lost, other product had come by, or Nokia had released its next great promise.

You'll have to forgive me then, or perhaps not, if I remain completely unimpressed at the N900 on paper. I'll wait to see it out in the wild, being used by ordinary people, in a real world first.

Nokia's own history persuades me that is the safest way to assess one of their new products.

None of that is to diminish what the N900 is or could be on paper, speculative blogs and YouTube virals.

not symbian